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The gravity will just make the ship sag into the ground if it landed. The Enterprise already flew into atmospheres. And it can land and maneuver around it if not severely damaged . Even if it crashed directly into a mountain with the core out, the hull will still be in tact. Tritantium is lighter than steel yet 25 times denser than pure diamond. Duranium is also present and its supposed to be stronger than tritanium.

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Federation ships cannot handle extreme gravity at all, the entire premise of STXI for example is based around that. It's also the reason why no federation ship larger than an Intrepid class can safely enter into a planetary atmosphere let alone land, the gravity would make it sag under it's own weight.

I know that they are different. One is fantasy while the other is reality. You just can't make neutronium a solid armor. Even if impure and mix in with other elements like durasteel. Federation ships can handle extreme gravity pulls in ST.

Except neither the Enterprise nor the Constellation were affected from that pull, which they would have if it was made of Element Zero, The Doomsday Machine was not made out of Degenerate Matter Neutronium for armour which includes the armour on the Doomsday Machine. and Neutronium for Neutron stars are two completely different things,

"Neutrons, protons, electrons make up an element and be broken into quarks." True but as an atom. Not by itself. Neutronium is made purely off neutrons. There is no atom. No force strong enough to keep it in place. The neutrons will decay into protons and beta particles (like electrons) So whatever Star Trek or Star Wars uses is not made up of neutron materials. Spock has logical explanation as to why he said that. Pure Neutronium = the DDM has the gravity to keep the neutrons together.

I watch the episodes, and make it a point not to use Wikis as a source, not even Memory Alpha. I only use wikis to Identify an episode or reference for further research. if MA cites the source, I cross reference the source, i've stated this a great many times. I own Seasons 4 through 7 of DS9, and have TNG and TOS episodes on VHS from back in the 90s TOS, TNG, Voyager and ENT eps can easily be found here on youtube as well.

Except Neutronium used in ST armour isn't the same thing as what is in a Neutron star, they have very different properties from one another.

Considering you thought there was a scalar difference between a nuclear megaton and a megaton of TNT, and who's knowledge of physics is so limited that you think a "teaspoon of antimatter" is worth 1 gigaton... or that the Volume is more important than Mass, or that Air lacks weight. You should really stop trying to make "Scientific" claims that are clearly not scientific at all. and only wind up embarrassing yourself to someone who has so much as a hint of real scientific knowledge.

As evidenced by you talking out your ass, Neutrons don't "Decay into protons and electrons" neutrons, protons, and electrons, make up elements, they can only be broken down into Quarks. it's not just Phasers that are useless against Neutronium, but Photon Torps, Disruptors, Plasma Torps, Polaron Beams etc, note Spock said "There is no known way to penetrate it" and even with stolen Cardassian, Breen and Jem'Hadar weapons there was no way to get through the Neutronium door to Dominion HQ.

Actually it IS psychic mind control, the Jedi only use it to implant an impulse into someone's head, as well as momentarily make them say or feel something. The Sith have been known to completely enslave someone through it, known as "Force Domination" Emperor Palpatine was very good at this, and used it, along with bribery and other traditional political maneuvering to get where he is.

Which was for the Dominion HQ, and was installed there by the Dominion, otherwise Damar would have known about it.

The Jedi Mind trick is more a persuasion skill than it is a psychic mind control. You can persuade people to make choices. It's free will, but if not and if directly controlling their choices, that's not free will anymore. Q observes the human race bc of their choices under their free will. Even under pressure of stress or any kind of persuasion. (ie: Janeway and Picard)

Q can control minds, thoughts and consciousness easier and more vast than Charles Xavier can a whole planet. But why do it since Q are there to observe free will? The reason why Q doesn't mind control is bc its against his purpose. But here's a question. How does Q create life forms with free will? It contradicts that he has the power to take it away.

Q once tried to get Captain Janeway to have his child, when he was thinking that if he didn't have a kid, the Continuum would fall outta whack. Janeway refused him pretty easily. Q seems to be more of an annoyance for Fed crewmembers, and resorting to Q means technology isn't in the cards for the Feds.

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Amanda Rogers controlled Riker cuzz she had the hots for him but she realized that it wasn't HIS free will that he was acting on but her own Will forced upon him.

My guess to why the Doomsday Machine was able to have neutronium hull was bc the Doomsday Machine generated the same gravity force of a Neutron star, and even acting like a neutron star by crushing everything in a solar system.

For previous post, i've mistaken neutonium bulkhead for a door that the cardasians use. Starfleet primarily uses duranium and tritanium.

@NANOFORGE You sure Perion uses Wiki? Seeing as he is like a "pupil" of Mike Wong (not really a pupil, but I see the influence), and Wong himself uses film evidence, direct quotes (that even major trekkies use), and physics to the situation. Trying to debunk Perion's sources, is like debunking all canon ST. Unless of course he actually does use Wiki. Doubt that though, anyone smurt enough would use ATLEAST memory alpha.

And those neutrons will eventually decay into protons and electrons. So even if neutronium can be manufactured, its present in open space is already a vulnerability. Ion beams or electron beams no matter what output would literally decay the neutronium and tear right through it with ease. Even plasma should burn its way pretty easily through neutronium. The reason why Phasers can't is bc its directly concentrated to channel through the matter, which it can't bc neutronium is too dense.

@NANOFORGE Maybe he considers Q or other Q's won't help the Federation or anything other species, is because they aren't allowed to. Most of what you see Q do, is because of his own doing. Qs can barely even control free will, something 3 Jedi can do. Funny...

@NANOFORGE The more reason it is considered racism. It can't be that "Oh, those are Klingons, just because that's racism, you can't count it, because they are Klingons." I'm aware the Klingons allied with the Federation, in fact, it was a Federation-aligned Klingon, Worf, who said that specific racial remark.